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So, at the end, when Betty and George are seen on the park bench together, there is an immediate "Aha! Betty's with George! It's validation to those who believed they would end up together. But wait. What does George say?
Betty replies "I don't know. Do you know what's going to happen now? George replies "No, I don't". The camera pans a couple times and suddenly Bill is there. He says "I guess I don't, either. I don't know what's going to happen. You don't know what's going to happen. The movie producers don't know what's going to happen. Nobody knows what's going to happen because it's up to those characters to decided for themselves. It's frustrating because we want that closure.
We want to know. But in order to attain that closure, we the audience and the movie producers would have to take that away from the characters which is completely contrary to the main theme of the film.
Ultimately, we all must be content with the knowledge that Bill, Betty, and George will figure out for themselves what will happen next in the world of Pleasantville. Re: Confused by the ending by kavan I actually totally agreed with your theory until I rewatched the movie. And I read the final scene as you did as a three person scene with all three uncertain what would happen next.
But the way the scene was shot, which I think was not accidental, its not a three way scene. George is sitting to one side as Betty when he acknowledges he doesn't know what will happen next. After a moment she turns in the same exact direction and Bill is there saying he doesn't know what will happen next. He's also no longer in his soda shop uniform-indicating his role in the show had changed.
I think as several other posters have suggested what it shows is that Bill replaced George. Just like Bud got the cookies because of the changes, so to George got short changed. That's my sense of what the filmmakers were suggesting. I think that's probably a little high concept and hence why it confuses and divides opinions among viewers.
Post deleted This message has been deleted. Member since June Re: Confused by the ending by maniubao. Member since January I too wondered if Jennifer is missed if she stayed in Pleasantville, but it occurred to me that even though it shows she went to college, and maybe lived out an entire lifetime, she must have came back with David, perhaps materializing on the university campus, or wherever she is when she decides to go back.
Otherwise, she would have indeed been missing from the real timeline, and David would have to go back to get her to prevent his mother from panicking. The one atop the fire truck has 50 stars. By , it was well known that the star flag would be introduced soon, and star flags were available, but it still seems unlikely that an official vehicle would be flying an unofficial flag especially since the official flag in had 48 stars until July 3rd, and 49 stars from July 4th until the end of the year.
When the soda shop is wrecked and it is discovered that the jukebox still works, one of the boys unplugs it after Buddy Holly 's "Rave On" starts. When Bud says it's okay and plugs the jukebox back in the song starts again, which would not have happened with a jukebox.
It would have started up where the needle was left by the unplugging. When Bud is pulling up to his home with the firemen to put out the burning tree, he is heard yelling, "Alright, stop Jennifer's reaction of "Cool" to the rain makes little sense. As it is earlier established that she knows nothing about Pleasantville, she would not realize that the rain is an entirely new development. When a rock is thrown through the window of the soda shop, it goes through the face of the woman in the painting.
A moment later, another item is thrown, also breaking the window in a different place, but the woman's face is intact again. The announcer in the beginning states that the Pleasantville marathon was 24 hours long, starting at PM.
The announcer at the end states that the marathon will end at noon tomorrow. On their way to school on the first day, Mary Sue gets angry and pulls her hair clips out - just before Skip pulls up in his car. After Skip drives away her hair is suddenly clipped back again.
In the bowling alley sequence, the scene begins with two or three splits being picked up. Later in the same scene when the mayor is speaking with the scores behind him there are no 8-pin spares listed, only 9-pin spares. When David looks through the window down at his mother loading her car there is one shutter half down.
Seen from outside all shutters are up. When Jennifer and David are fighting over the remote control before the Pleasantville Marathon starts at , they momentarily go to the Prevue Channel. The time shown on that channel is , not While Mary Sue is explaining sex to her mother, her hair changes between shots. When Mary Sue is with her date at the restaurant and she leaves to go to the ladies room, her hair is styled differently than when she is inside the ladies room.
When Bud is about to go to work for the first time, Mary Sue complains to him about having to wear falsies on her date. When she's talking to her date at the restaurant, the falsies are gone. She's wearing them again right after her date is over and she walks into the house. Notice that when Pleasantville loses, but real feelings haven't yet exploded in town, the players don't seem too concerned about their loss either. I'd have guessed cross-town rivals, myself.
It's not out of the realm of possibility that a town has more than one high school. Like Beverly Hills High vs. West Beverly for example. And makes sense in the scheme of no "outside of pleasantville. Well a lot of things don't make sense with a limited geometry. Where are they getting their water? At some point they will cease to able to produce what they have in such a limited space.
Where are they getting the supplies they don't use? Someone has to make them. Who brought in all those books for library? How about the United States?
Do they or do they know how it's history if they have it's flag? I always assumed that everything kind of poofed into existence when it was needed. Grocery store low on food? A food delivery poofed into existence coming around the corner driven by the same truck drive thats been delivering there for years. As for the rival basketball team, I kind of figured they worked the same way.
When it was time for the big game, there bus poofed into existence coming up the street and parking at the school gym. Then once they lose, they all loaded up and drove away, and once they were out of sight, poofed away till the were needed again. Where do Buddy Holly and the other banned musicians come from?
Are they Pleasantville natives? Is Holly dead or is death by plane crash too unpleasant? And why would he or anyone be on a plane anyway? Presumably planes just sort of exist, like firehoses. What happened to the original kids who got replaced? What happened to Bud and Mary Sue? I understand they were replaced when David and Jennifer came, but when David left, did the real Bud come back? Additionally, if he did come back, how would he adjust to the radical changes that took place while he was gone?
I always figured that Bud and Mary Sue just took the places of the main characters in the real world. Considering that they pretty much had to have gotten used to differences in people and changes in society while they were in the "real world", they shouldn't have too many problems returning back to Pleasantville.
Hell, the still changing, fairly conservative Pleasantville would probably be a relief from David and Jennifer's world. Or, alternately, they went completely insane from the culture shock and won't notice the difference anyway. Remember the whole timing issue - even if Bud has lived in place of David, it's only been an hour. A ridiculously confusing hour, no doubt, but just an hour nonetheless - he wouldn't have had time to adapt to the real world. It might, however, have shocked him enough that modified-Pleasantville, which is now somewhere between old-Pleasantville and real life, would still look like a lot better.
Alternatively if he hasn't lived in David's time he just comes back, gets the culture shock of his life, and then adapts like everyone else in Pleasantville has already done. I assumed Bud and Mary Sue cease to exist. They were never real so it doesn't matter. Both of whom take a town full of fictional characters and help transform them into real people. The "Pleasantville" that the movie is set in is most likely some kind of parallel dimension based on the TV show created by the remote control rather than the actual, literal TV show.
If so, then there probably wasn't a "Bud" or "Mary Sue" before David and Jennifer showed up, because the dimension was made "for" them, fully formed, with everything set up for them to occupy those particular roles. Will toilets appear in Pleasantville? Will the toilets appear in the soda shop now? You probably meant that as a joke, but I can't resist answering the question.
Yes, if the map outside of Pleasantville fills in, that would suggest the emergence of other common infrastructure.
Unless the toilets were smashed when the shop was ransacked. What a perfect time to install new ones! A better if squickier question might be, if the toilets have all appeared, but the residents of Pleasantville haven't ever used a toilet before, does that mean we now have an entire town full of people who need to be individually toilet trained? Think of all the unused food sitting in them up until this point. That food has to come out on their first BM There's no reason to think that every single bit of food they've ever eaten is just sitting around inside them.
The food just goes into them and disappears without thinking further about it, like every other inconvenient or "dirty" thing. Wanna get into icky problems related to their newfound biological needs? Forget toilets - let's talk pregnancies. No systems for birth control, and they've all just discovered sex and are collectively doing it like rabbits. You do the maths. Didn't something similar actually happen in the real world around the same time period?
Not exactly like the movie shows, of course, but yes, it did. Believe it or not, the teen pregnancy rate was actually higher in the s than in any decade since. There are several reasons for this, not all of them "bad" reasons as such for example, the average age of first marriage was much lower then, so some of those pregnant teenagers were or year-old women who were already married and wanted to get pregnant anyway , but it was also partly because no one was teaching teenagers about how babies are made and how to avoid it.
Even if teenagers knew about contraceptives, they were illegal in many places anyway. What good is a Pleasantville college degree to Jennifer? What good is it for Jennifer to go to college in the Pleasantville universe?
It's not like it'll change her presumably shitty real-world grades, nor will her Pleasantville degree be honored by real-world employers. Does she plan on staying in Pleasantville forever? She could just be going to college because she wants to learn.
Her big color changing moment is when she chooses to stay home with a book rather than go out with Skip, because reading is fun and learning is its own reward. Besides, as discussed above, with Year Inside, Hour Outside , in several days of real-life time she would return with all the knowledge of a post-graduate.
Then she'd just take an external degree in the real-life analogue of the institution she'd gone to in Pleasantville. Wouldn't she get lonely and become maladjusted for that long with her college mates being semi-fictional people who have been awakened to life in artificial ways? Also, where is a college? Except her knowledge would be a half-century out of date. Well only some of it, she'd miss out on recent developments and all her history would be out of wack from the 50's inaccuracies, but most of her math and science would be the same, English too.
Who says she's going to be focussing only on science? In any case, she'll almost certainly return to her own world no older than she left it, just like her brother did, so she'll have plenty of opportunity to correct any gaps or errors in her s education.
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